@Progisus Unfortunately I agree with what you found. Strangely when I try to play a PGGB 768 file using JPLAY it seems to show that it is playing (ie the track progress bar moves and the time played is updating) but no sound. The JPLAY screen on my iphone correctly reports the correct file data as per screenshot below of JPLAY ‘playing’ the file but no actual output to the Dave.
When I swop to iPeng the track plays correctly to the usb input of my Dave and with the Dave screen reporting 768.
For my day to day use it is no hardship not having JPLAY being able to play 16FS files because I do not generally play PGGB processed files and output the 44, 48, 96 files to an mscaler using JPLAY.
Thanks @NickBacon for confirming this. I am finding I actually prefer Material at the moment. I am trying to get it to feel more like roon as I would really like to switch my exploring to squeeze as well. I am using the Kanta-Dark theme at present. With virtual libraries and online integration plugin it is getting there. The online search is quite a bit slower with Tidal being faster than Qobuz for me. I think I have roon sounding a bit better though by removing the server from the K30 and using an optical endpoint into the mscaler.
I am not sure if it was Antipodes’ intent to run multiple servers but with a single Squeeze server on the K30 and roon elsewhere the sound is awesome.
@NickBacon , I prefer the Material skin because of the virtual libraries ( roon bookmarks ). I haven’t compared sound. But I am now a squeeze convert. Several people have brought up the roon sound issues on the roon forums. There is no room for conversation at all. Hopefully Harman hears us as they have for other issues.
Here’s the setup:
K30 - squeeze server, squeeze player to mscaler usb in, dual bnc w storm to tt2
EX - squeeze player by direct stream from k30 then to tt2 usb in
iMac - roon server to several endpoints throughout house
New Endpoint for roon at main listening station - pi4 w justboom optical hat over wifi, to mscaler optical in. It’s power is from wall socket and not power conditioner for the rack. The wifi and optical give me the max isolation to the dac for roon.
This allows me to run only one server on the K30 while optimizing the sound from roon.
Squeeze + Squeeze is definitely a marked cut above all else for me in terms of sheer enjoyment of the music - but i can’t understand how people are prepared to put up with the Material interface for browsing and playing music. I’ve made the point before and i’ll make it again - if we are willing and lucky enough to be able to spend ridiculous amounts of time and money on this hobby surely we deserve the best user interface AND the best SQ. At the moment we are forced to choose one or the other (
I do find myself wondering whether the more acceptable user interface options all come with a down side with sound quality. Is there a direct link to that?
Following @NickBacon ’s lead, I tried squeeze/squeeze setting with JPLAY. I only selected OladraPlayer in JPLAY and it worked for a brief moment! Then I tried other settings and play was garbled. I couldn’t get it to work again with the previous settings. Did Nick get this working with streaming content from Qobuz or Tidal or was it only working for local library content?
Is there a potential option with squeeze/squeeze using JPLAY for iOS users? It’s a nice interface, much better than LMS and you can add tracks directly to Qobuz playlists, something that Roon and LMS can’t do.
I have had several listening sessions with the MPD setting but I wonder if we can test squeeze/squeeze with JPLAY? I’m stuck at the moment from taking this any further. I just can’t get it to work again but will try the JPLAY developer forum.
@RCZR I almost exclusively listen to locally stored ripped and downloaded files stored on my Oladra, so I am afraid to report that is what I was listening to with JPLAY + Squeeze + Squeeze.
Having seen your post I have repeated the experiment and this combination still works fine for me with locally stored files.
I then tried to play a Qobuz streamed track using JPLAY and to be sure I played a track that I absolutely know for sure I do not have downloaded! See the JPLAY screen shot below. I got about a second of garbled noise then nothing.
I will be interested to get any feedback from you from anything you get on the JPLAY developer forum.
The other thing is that I cannot get JPLAY + Squeeze + Squeeze to play 16FS tracks (ie 705 or 786 tracks).
For others who might want to try the JPLAY for iOS control app with Squeeze + Squeeze, you do need to have the UPnP/DNLA Media Interface plugin active.
Material is simply a skin. A skin defines how the user interface will appear to users in terms of colors and fonts and layout. The underlying software is LMS (Logitech Media Server) also known as “Squeeze Server”. It is LMS that provides the capabilities that allow us to manage and play our music.
LMS didn’t begin life as a hobby project as it was initially a commercial product that supported of the Squeezebox streaming products. Material could be thought of as a “hobby project” as it wasn’t developed for profit. I think it’s important to consider though that person who developed it sacrificed his own personal time to deliver something to the community with no expectation for personal gain. And in my opinion he did a better job than many who were actually paid to do this work.
To recap the issue, I’ve been using JPLAY with Antipodes Oladra. Antipodes have a setting on their dashboard with Music Player Daemon (MDP) and Squeeze that connects to JPLAY. However, I tried another setting inspired by @NickBacon with Squeeze server and player from the Antipodes dashboard. Both the Squeeze server and player connected in JPLAY when you use the UPnP plugin in Logitech Media Server (LMS). Any tracks selected in JPLAY are mimicked in the LMS. I checked the Player in Settings in JPLAY and played a track from Qobuz. Then I selected the Server setting with player in JPLAY and music was garbled. When I went back to the previous settings it was still garbled. @NickBacon has tried the same settings and got a local library to work but not any streamed tracks. My question to the JPLAY developer and founder was why can we stream with MDP and Squeeze to JPLAY but not Squeeze with LMS connected to JPLAY?
Here is his answer:
This is a question to Antipodes. I think that some settings have to be adjusted for that playback method.
Best regards,
Marcin
@MarkCole could this be tested or on the development list for a future release of AMSv5.x? It would be great to use the Squeeze Server/Player on the AMS Dashboard and have to option of using JPLAY (for iOS users) instead of LMS. For some of us Squeeze Server/Player is preferred in sound quality over other options but we have to put up with a clunky LMS interface. If the same sound quality can be delivered with JPLAY then is it worth considering?
I have an Antipodes CX that I have used as a server/player for several years now. Lately I use the Roon/Squeeze Player combination because it is the one I consider best in terms of library management and sound
I have tested Squeeze/Squeeze Player managed with Ipeng or Material skin and on my system I see the following
Perhaps the bass is tighter, more contoured
The presentation gives the sensation of greater tranquility
The music seems to sound from further back compared to Roon/Squeeze Player
Treble seems more extended
At first it seems like it sounds more natural but as I listen I notice a certain thinness in the sound, less impact and less sense of presence…
I saw that the C-3PO plugin function was activated. I disabled it to leave the format without Upsampling and I thought it sounded better
I also wasn’t happy with the sound and I went back to my original Roon/Squeeze Player configuration and… it’s definitely better for me
Immediacy returns in the sound presentation
The treble is less intrusive but does not lose detail
The music has more Punch in general
Perhaps it is true that Roon since version 2.0 has improved. I checked the resource consumption and in both configurations it was practically identical
Roon may work better with certain settings. In this link that I leave they talk about these configurations:
There are a couple of them that really make the improvement in sound clear. All is important
