Antipodes Audio AMSv5 Release Information

Not just my iPad. Safari on macOS is shown below. Chrome on macOS seems to get it mostly right though.

Paul, It is always difficult to answer that sort of question without the benefit of being to go back to AMS 4 and the earlier version of Squeeze. All I can say is that with AMS 5.0 and Squeeze + Squeeze I am getting a stunning sound from my system. That Lacques Loussier Trio album I mentioned leaves me in no doubt that all the other combinations of Server and Player apps are some way behind Squeeze + Squeeze in terms of sound quality.

The piano at the start of the track Toccata and Fugue in D Minor is a fantastic test. It is easy to forget that piano is a percussion instrument and when heard live it has quite an attack to the notes. Squeeze + Squeeze makes it sound like a real piano. None of the other app combinations do that.

Then there is the double bass. With Squeeze + Squeeze there is so much detail and shape to the notes. Unfortunately with the other apps the notes can easily become just a shapeless thump.

With AMS 5.0 it is very easy to switch between Server and Player app combinations and I strongly suggest that it is worth setting aside and hour to do that. The first two or three minutes of that track played with each combination will be enough to make up ones mind.

Edit. It occurs to me that it might be worth pointing out that all my listening in this is using the BNC output from the Oladra2 to a Chord Mscaler connected to a DAVE Dac (with SJ ARC6 power supply) and that is connected directly to ATC 150 Active speakers. I don’t own any headphones. Also I am listening to locally stored files on the Oladra SSD because I marginally prefer the sound compared to streaming the same files from Qobuz.

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I experienced very much the same and it appears that (at least for the two of us), clearing out the history on my iPad /Safari browser resulted in the iPad expressing the relatively identical same cover art and behavior as the desktop. In other words, everything was normal and playback was robust on my Mac Studio once I cleared out the history , and then did the same on my iOS device and it mirrored the desktop experience. So apparently there must be something to this.

@NickBacon I agree completely that Squeeze sounds considerably better than Roon. Not even close. The music is more alive, more transparent absent any sort of midrange congestion I generally associate with Roon.

Further, I am quite sure the SQ has improved with AMSv5. In an email exchange with Mark he more or less agreed and suggested it was the new software stack that has contributed to improved sound quality. More good stuff coming….

Overall I have to say that after a few bumps in the road everything seems to be working normally for me now.

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Hi, my upgraded K50 player/server are still “stuck” at AMS4.4 and labeled “up to date”. How do i kick off the 5.0 update ? TIA

Great to hear from you Nick. It seems like you’re having a great time with AMSv5. It’s always a pleasure diving into your sonic endeavors, and I’ve been eager to learn more. I would say that nobody has explicitly stated that the incorporation of Squeeze in AMSv5 should result in better sound quality, and it’s probably not the focus for now. However, it’s evident that Antipodes could already be working on enhancements since they’ve established a solid foundation for future upgrades.

I previously had Tidal integrated into my AMSv4, so in AMSv5 I can’t access the album in my Squeeze to Squeeze setup as you suggested unless I switch to Qobuz (I am on Tidal Family with 4 more, so changing is a little complicated).

Perhaps it’s better to listen to my own version from SSD. Is that how you listen to it, or do you stream?

Hi @fuzzypoodle , this should work, or pm @MarkCole first.

I thought AMSv5 has been pulled from the servers for the moment?

You are correct it’s been 3 days. Time for a heads up from @antipodes ?

MarkCole

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We have dis-abled the update to AMSv5 until we get a grasp on the issues that people are experiencing.

If you have a problem, book a remote support session. I am working thru clearing the current queue

I’d rather they hold fire until issues are identified and resolved.
We’ve managed without v5, a few extra days will make no difference

Good recommendation. Trying out apps can be even more convenient. For the purists among us (and there might be a few), remember to close the apps that you do not use.

Paul, AMSv5 seems quite well behaved in doing that anyway but you are correct that it is worth checking. AMSv4 seemed to leave behind a few open but unused server apps.

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This is very similar to what I experienced on both desktop and laptop when I set the path for Artist Images to the Pictures folder in Settings - completely unrelated images and a lot of duplicates. I think I first came across that adjustment from a reply you made to a question I asked in a much earlier discussion, so you may have the same path set. It seems that I have to re-set this path every time there has been an AMS upgrade, so I naturally thought doing so in AMS5 would again correct the minority of errors. Instead, it appeared to make things worse (unless I am confusing correlation with causation). And as a side note, the errors I was seeking to correct by setting this path were the apparent result of the software searching for artist images on the internet and finding the correct name but the wrong person.
In AMS5, when I removed that path and cleared caches/history, all went back to more or less normal, which means a few slightly irritating but manageable errors.
At some point I hope Antipodes will get around to addressing this now that the issue appears to be more common. But in the meantime, have you investigated whether or not modifying that setting corrects this?

Hi Kenny,
Thanks for the quick response.

Since I use HQplayer only as a passtrough I think I will postpone the HQplayer upgrade given the cost.

3h

I previously had Tidal integrated into my AMSv4, so in AMSv5 I can’t access the album in my Squeeze to Squeeze setup as you suggested unless I switch to Qobuz (I am on Tidal Family with 4 more, so changing is a little complicated).

Edit:

Your Qobuz experience starts now, paulw. :boom:

You can now fully enjoy Qobuz. Cancel for free at any time.Your account will not be debited before 3/13/24


Perhaps it’s better to listen to my own version from SSD. Is that how you listen to it, or do you stream?

Edit: :grinning: What SSD @NickBacon ? You are not using the Antipodes recommended Samsung PM893 if my memory is correct? Slightly OT but related to how you hear your music nevertheless; I’ve been experiencing too much improvement with certain types SSD and also RAM and the best power for it to ignore. The former ‘impression’ is shared by Antipodes but regarding RAM not that much it seems. I understand that these improvements can be system-dependent and may not be universally applicable.

Hi Mark, Unfortunately, I have also just installed the server update. Consequence: No more access to the dashboard. Error message “Failed to connect to Ip-Adress port 80 after 3110ms. No route to host Please reboot and reopen.” I have rebooted and reopened the K50, router and iPad several times - no success. What can I do? Greetings from Hamburg, Germany

@Netbert please book a support session

A beautiful upgrade - dynamics and noise floor nicely improved. Many thanks!

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Paul, I use the Samsung 860 EVO SSD in my Oladra. These are what I first installed when I had the K50 and I just moved them over to the Oladra when I upgraded to that. For sure there is a temptation to go to the PM893 but that is on the ‘one day’ list of things to do.

On the matter of listening via Qobuz or files from the SSD I have a small but noticeable preference for the sound from the SSD and so tend not to use Qobuz apart from when my (adult) children come to stay. Then I log into my Qobuz account, fire up Roon and hand the iPad to them so they can find and listen to whatever they want!

There have been some anecdotes in regards to sound quality improvements with AMSv5, and at least one report of communication with Antipodes staff confirming this, but here is some wordage on the revised Antipodes website (Support>Articles) which alludes to the fact there are some sonic improvements along with AMSv5, and confirms more sound quality improvements are coming :slight_smile:

An Antipodes App

Historically we have preferred not to provide an Antipodes playback app, and instead to support the best of the available apps created and maintained by dedicated software companies. We had two simple reasons for this.

  • Many users prefer a particular playback app that they are already used to, and in most cases we can make it available on our hardware.
  • Several popular playback apps are mature, well designed and developed, so the most meaningful way that we can improve them is to make them sound better.

So our focus has been on integrating the best available third-party playback apps with our operating system and audio processing stack, and providing a simple user interface so that customers can easily select the playback app they prefer to use.

In 2020 we delivered a new management interface, AMS. AMS has progressively been improved, and it is now widely considered to be the leading management interface in the industry.

In 2023 we began to build a completely new software stack to support the future development of AMS. AMSv5, released in February 2024 is accompanied by a new operating system and more efficient back-end functionality. These developments improve the performance of AMS and all third-party playback apps. Later this year we will implement re-built back-end functionality, and that will improve responsiveness and sound quality further.

At the same time as the release of AMSv5, we released Android and iOS apps to complete the ‘My Antipodes’ network discovery function. Opening the app on your phone or tablet lists the Antipodes devices on your network, and clicking on one opens the AMSv5 interface for that device. During the rest of 2024, we will tightly integrate these apps with AMS and the playback apps, so that users enjoy a seamless experience.

The next stage of development will tightly integrate the My Antipodes apps with AMS and with the third-party playback apps. Users will then enjoy a seamless experience with any playback method they decide to use.

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