I’ve had JPLAY for iOS controlling Squeeze on my Oladra but for whatever reason I hadn’t been using JPLAY for a while so I have just repeated the process of setting everything up so that JPLAY can control Squeeze/Squeeze on an Antipodes.
First select Squeeze / Squeeze as the Solutions Dashboard.
Open the Squeeze server app in Material and go the the Settings / Manage Plug Ins menu. Activate the two UPnP Plug Ins and confirm they are now in the active plug ins list.
Open the JPLAY for iOS app and in settings click the button that says ‘SEARCH DEVICES’. It should find the Server and Player similar to this screen shot of my JPLAY.
You should be prompted to Syc the Libraries.
Having done that it should work and play music. It did for me just 5 minutes ago. Hope this helps.
Thanks much, @NickBacon . I’ll give it a try tonight. Btw…under your prescribed settings, are you streaming and/or playing from local? I stream only from Tidal.
@justaute I have just added Qobuz to the JPLAY libraries but no music through that route I’m afraid. Now that I think about it that might have been mentioned to me before. (This all still with using the Squeeze server and player, just for completeness).
That makes sense. Even after following your set-up directions, I still couldn’t get it to work with Squeeze/Squeeze for streaming. It seems streaming through that combination is the issue. Very much appreciated your help.
I have to admit, I oldfashionly mostly play local files—probably my mistake . Whenever someone raves about having heard an amazing track or album, my first question is always, “Was it local or streaming?” Not this time.
Yesterday, on AS, I said to you :
“I initially misunderstood—I think you were trying to compare the sound signature of JPLAY for iOS with Material, rather than focusing on different player and server setups. Fortunately, we can actually compare all of them!” But you’re right, although they do look the same, the second album won’t play with the Squeeze preset.
Changes in JPLAY for audio output and libraries don’t sync with the Antipodes server. Often, tracks play in silence unless I switch to a different preset and then back to Squeeze. Switching with other server apps open (see image above) doesn’t always work either. For instance, with MPD active, JPLAY may prompt “Renderer not connected” even though the track advances, but there’s no sound. This back-and-forth gets confusing and frustrating, though it might not be an issue once settled for one preset.
I remember Nick asking once in this forum for their suggested settings for LMS + Squeezelite for best sound quality, having an Antipodes reply instantly here. Since @MarkCole /Antipodes recently promoted the JPLAY annual subscription here, maybe he also could guide us on how to set it up properly and easily switch between the server presets in a consistent way?
Good call, Paul. It really would be helpful for Antipodes to step in here, especially given the “certified” status of Antipodes. It’s ok if jplay can’t stream via Squeeze/Squeeze, some help or understanding of limitations would be nice.
Maybe this leads us to the question: if Material Skin can stream Tidal via Squeeze / LMS to Squeeze then what’s missing in JPLAY to do the same? LMS already has everything it takes. But I do recall that Tidal integrated was not working for a while here in a previous AMS version. Maybe it has something to do with that? It seems like this is something we could all address with Marcin.
Coming from Innuos Sense and having demo-ed Jplay for a few days, there are functions I sorely miss.
Ability to sort: I don’t always remember the name of the song of the artist. Material Skin has those functions listed, but do not work. Big deal to me.
New music recommendation: nice to have.
Play previously played songs: makes life so much easier.
I have split out this topic from the previous thread.
There are users way more experienced with JPLAY than I am, this thread has progressed without my input till now, so I just popped in to clarify…
JPLAY is a UPnP solution, MinimServer and MPD, is the AMS solution that is JPLAY certified.
JPLAY can also be used with MiniDLNA + MPD, also we have included Squeeze + MPD preset that can be operated via JPLAY.
If you can get Squeeze+Squeeze to work with JPLAY, all power to you, this isn’t something we have spent any time on and @NickBacon has outlined how he has set this up…
Thank you Mark,
The setup as described by @NickBacon above works perfectly. The sound quality and user experience of playing local files with JPLAY from Squeeze/LMS to Squeezelite is fantastic on all Antipodes servers, but streaming with JPLAY in this specific server/player preset isn’t functioning.
If Material Skin can stream Tidal over Squeeze LMS to a Squeezelite player on an Antipodes server, what’s holding JPLAY back from achieving the same with Tidal? I’ll let you know here what Marcin “way more experienced with JPLAY than I am” thinks.
Just on this, for a giggle I have set my Oladra to MinimServer + MPD so that I can use JPLAY with Qobuz streaming. Later on I hope to have some free time to compare the sound quality of local files played via this set up and the same files streamed from Qobuz with JPLAY as the controlling app…
This track will be the first because it is one of my go to tracks for quickly assessing sound quality. The search function of JPLAY makes it easy to find locally stored tracks as well as on Qobuz and then to play the alternative versions. I have always found the search function of Qobuz in LMS/Squeeze to be very clunky. JPLAY is miles ahead as a user experience so it will be interesting to see how Qobuz sounds via MinimServer + MPD.
Squeeze+Squeeze isn’t certified or been tested by Antipodes to use JPLAY.
If memory serves me correctly, someone has already reached out to Marcin and I believe that this is a limitation of the third party UPnP plugins for Squeeze/Squeezelite.
There are three offered solutions for JPLAY playback that enable streaming why not just use one that works.
You’re right, but sometimes Squeeze to Squeeze just has that little extra edge. On the other hand, MPD with Minimserver can surpass it—so it really varies. Overall, having access to JPLAY, especially for non-Roon users, is a real advantage. I get that users want to explore different presets, and that’s why we have so many options, but it can feel a bit like we’re stuck sometimes. Plus, for those of us now used to JPLAY, having to open Material just to listen to Tidal in the Squeeze preset does feel a bit awkward.
In the end, it all comes down to what you’re willing to sacrifice in terms of user interface, and that will always be a point of debate. But I know you’ve got other priorities, Mark, and I’d prefer you focus on refining AMS vX. Wishing you all the best!
(Also) as someone who usually prefers local files, I think I know how this will go. Yesterday I was curious to compare Tidal + Material /LMS against Tidal + Minimserver MPD. I quickly made adjustments using different Antipodes presets and tried JPLAY with different Tidal options. However, JPLAY couldn’t handle it well—while the track would often advance, there was no sound. Managing JPLAY as a ‘skin’ alongside Antipodes presets proved to be a bit much, especially after midnight like yesterday. Anyway, good luck, and thanks for giving it a try.
I bought a lifetime jplay license as it is a possible roon replacement with better sound than roon. It will need quite a bit of refinement before I would switch. At present it is squeeze/squeeze for sound and roon for discovery. Once I find my choice in roon I add it to qobuz or tidal and after a quick library refresh in squeeze it is there to play.
For jplay I have minimserver running on my nas and upnp running on a pi/ropieee for testing. I’ve also run them on the K30.
. Whenever someone raves about having heard an amazing track or album, my first question is always, “Was it local or streaming?” Not this time.
