Using CX as your only streamer?

Hello all, Happy new year.

So I’ve mentioned before on this forum I’m currently Using my CX as a server → DS-3 as a Player → S20 -->DAC(no USB). My question: Anyone using a CX to take on ALL streaming duties ? I see videos of reviews of other equipment and often they only have a CX as their Streamer. Ideally I want to get an EX(Hard to fine), but wonder if maybe I could sell off my DS-3, free up space on the rack and get funds for a future purchase of an EX. Being that the DS-3 is a much older model am I still getting better results keeping the duties separate server/Renderer ? would you hold on to the DS-3 as a player or just use one box and solely use the CX ? Thanks for your input. All the best

BTW, I’m only running Squeezelite. No Roon here

I would bypass the DS-3, observe how much the sound quality worsens, and determine if I want to be without it while waiting for an EX to turn up.

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Is the Antipodes CX Sufficient as a Streamer and Player?

My system is consistently tuned for tonal authenticity, microdynamic resolution and long-term listening comfort. Loudspeaker duties are handled by the Harbeth Compact 7 ES-3XD, driven by the EAR Yoshino 534 tube power amplifier and controlled via the EAR Yoshino 868 PL tube preamplifier. Listening takes place in a dedicated, acoustically optimised nearfield environment. Within the digital domain, two different signal paths were available and compared directly.

Signal path one is modular and built for maximum technical sophistication. Here, the Antipodes CX functions exclusively as a server. Audio data is passed on to the Antipodes EX, which assumes the player role. From there, the signal is fed to the Antipodes P2, used purely as a digital-to-digital converter responsible for reclocking and for fully decoupling computing and network processes. Digital-to-analogue conversion is ultimately handled by the HoloAudio May DAC, before the signal is passed on to the EAR Yoshino 868 PL preamplifier.

Signal path two is intentionally far simpler. In this configuration, the Antipodes CX operates not only as a server but also as a player and is connected directly via USB to the EAR Yoshino Acute Classic CD player, whose internal DAC performs the conversion. From there, the analogue signal is fed straight into the preamplifier. This setup dispenses entirely with external reclocking, a DDC and a separate DAC.

As a reference, The Ground by the Tord Gustavsen Trio was streamed via Qobuz at 96 kHz / 24 bit. Thanks to the variable output level of the Acute Classic, both signal paths could be precisely level-matched — an essential prerequisite for any meaningful comparison.

The outcome is striking in its clarity: sonically, the simplified second signal path is in no way inferior to the more elaborate first one. After only a short listening period, signal path two impresses with a coherent, calm and very natural presentation. Spatial imaging, tonal balance and musical flow remain fully intact. Transients are rendered in a controlled and organic manner, free from hardness or digital artefacts. Nothing suggests any sonic limitation resulting from the reduced complexity.

The first signal path, incorporating the EX, P2 and HoloAudio May DAC, reveals its strengths primarily on an analytical level. Microdynamic gradations are rendered with slightly greater precision, spatial layering appears marginally deeper, and complex passages are resolved with a touch more transparency. These differences, however, clearly reside in the realm of fine sonic nuance, rather than representing any fundamental disparity in overall quality.

The key conclusion of this comparison is therefore clear: the Antipodes CX is not only technically but also sonically fully capable of functioning as a standalone streamer and player. When paired with a high-quality internal DAC — such as that of the EAR Yoshino Acute Classic — it delivers a level of performance that is fully comparable to a significantly more complex digital front end.

The more elaborate solution with a separate player, DDC and reference DAC is justified less by an unavoidable sonic advantage than by conceptual benefits: maximum format flexibility, native DSD playback up to DSD512, and the option to extract the very last reserves of microdynamic finesse. For everyday musical enjoyment, however, the CX in its role as both server and player already delivers results that leave no sense of compromise.

Short answer to the original question:

Yes — the Antipodes CX is entirely sufficient as a streamer and player. Further expansion is an option for perfectionists, but not a necessity for achieving the highest level of sound quality.

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One man’s “entirely sufficient” is another man’s “good starting point”. I say that partly in jest.

Not everyone has the same goals. Speaking for myself, in my roughly three decades in this hobby, “entirely sufficient” has never been the goal. It has instead been to get as close to being fooled into thinking I’m hearing the real thing in my room for the amount of money I’ve been willing to spend. Achieving the highest level of sound quality has been the pursuit but I consider it an unobtainable goal as I simply will never be able to afford to get there and stay there. But everyone is different and it delights me to hear that your CX delights you as much as it does.

I have an ongoing joke with my local audiophile buds. “I am so happy with how things sound now that I could really be done now” was something I think I first said like seven years ago. I really meant it then - but not long after came a mention of something that promised to bring a big bang for the buck and I can’t help but make a change. The result: “I am so happy with how things sound now that I could be done now, for real!” That pattern has repeated a number of times.

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Thank you for the thoughtful and very personal reply. I’d like to clarify that my statement reflects my own subjective view and is not meant to be a universal judgment.

After more than three decades in HiFi and roughly 20 years in the high-end world, I’ve come to realize that this hobby is primarily about the journey, not about reaching a destination. The goal we often set for ourselves—being completely fooled into believing we are hearing the real thing in our own room—is, in my view, ultimately unattainable.

The ever finer sonic nuances that can be achieved through further optimization have, for me, become more of the fuel that keeps the hobby moving forward, rather than something that is truly essential to the enjoyment of music itself. When it comes to musical engagement and emotional connection, those last few percentages of refinement are, in my experience, of limited relevance.

In this context, “entirely sufficient” does not mean stagnation or a lack of ambition. It simply describes a point where technology and music are in a healthy balance for me. That others pursue different goals—whether it’s the closest possible approximation of a live performance or the joy of continual refinement—is completely valid and part of what makes this hobby so diverse.

In short, my perspective is shaped by my own long journey and current priorities. It is not intended to diminish other approaches, but to explain where I personally stand today.

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What triggers engagement differs for everyone, so I very much appreciate you saying up front that you weren’t attempting to make a universal judgement.

I’m a drummer, or more accurately, a former drummer as I no longer have a drum set. How realistically drums, percussion and especially cymbals are reproduced most certainly affects my level of engagement. A few years ago, I got to hear the impact of a server upgrade in a friend’s system. The track “All Blues” from the Chick Corea Trio’s “Trilogy 2”’ album had been a reference track and yet I was still blown away by how his system reproduced the drums and cymbals. The timbre of the cymbals was so well conveyed that I was actually able to accurately guess which brand of ride cymbals he was using. My engagement level was off the charts because what I heard reminded me of how it felt to strike similar cymbals myself. It wasn’t just the timbre either, it was how realistically the energy radiated from not only the cymbals but everything the drummer was striking. It was as close as I’ve come having an audio system bringing me to the sound I would hear when attending a live performance. My heart was pounding!

My system at the time offered a pale imitation. While it was always engaging to me, no way did it come as close from to bring the same level of excitement. I thus decided to consider what I heard at my friend’s home my new north star.

Fast forward to the present and I think my system is at least as good at reproducing cymbals as my friend’s system was back then. What it took to get there was a number of upgrades, including a music server swap. Moving from the original K30 to a K50 G4 helped to bring a lot more of the energy of a live performance. Swapping cables, my DAC and my Ethernet switch then helped to allow a good chunk of the rest of the goodness come through.

A few weeks ago, I got to hear this track on my friend’s system again. He had upgraded his music server (from Taiko Extreme to Taiko Olympus). While that brought the most significant step change I had yet heard from any of his upgrades, I was still able to gauge how well my system advanced. No longer was his system heads and shoulders above mine as far as reproducing the timbre in the cymbals and how energy radiates from them.

While it is certainly true that being completely fooled into believing we are hearing the real thing in our own room is ultimately unattainable, that doesn’t mean that we can’t take meaningful steps in that direction. I’m convinced that music servers play a huge role in that.

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Hello, and thank you very much for your detailed and thoughtful response. I really enjoyed reading about your experiences, especially your description of how realistically reproduced cymbals can trigger such a deep emotional and physical reaction.
I also want to say that I fully agree with your conclusion. In hindsight, it’s quite possible that my original post came across more strongly than intended, perhaps due to the translation from German to English. I certainly wasn’t aiming to make a universal statement.

What I actually did was compare two different digital signal paths, and I was genuinely surprised by how convincing and engaging the more reduced path sounded. The level of realism and musical flow it delivered was far better than I had expected, especially in terms of coherence and ease.

In the end, both approaches are, - for me personally - already at a level where I can truly immerse myself in the music. While I absolutely understand and appreciate your idea and continuing to refine a system, this comparison reminded me that there are multiple valid ways to reach a deeply engaging listening experience.

Thanks again for sharing your journey – it added valuable perspective to the discussion.

I also want to thank you for your thoughtful replies. I actually agree with what you argued as well. Ironically, I’ve gone somewhat in the opposite direction when it comes to listening on the go. The convenience of the B&W PX8 lead me to decide to ditch using what was better in many of the areas audiophiles seek. But I can still get immersed in the music to the point where the rest of the world falls away.

Please continue to post here. You bring some very interesting thinking.

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Some great thoughts there guys…Nice in “the weeds” convo :slight_smile:
I’ve had the CX doing double duty for about a week and I’m not feeling a huge diff no longer using the DS-3 as a player. I’m really enjoying the CX as a stand alone, but when I find that used EX I will definitely buy it and marry the 2 into my system. Silver EX models even harder to find(trying to match with my current silver CX)

Personally I don’t think I have a super critical ear, so I can’t break the musical sounds down quite like you two have in your most recent posts.

I listen to my locally stored Flac files, with some streaming on Tidal. Do you find the front end the most critical ? or do you lean to the DAC, or perhaps even down to the Preamp ? I almost sold my DAC for an upgrade, but thought I would be better off holding out for the EX. Get my front end to top shelf level equipment first.

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The better that the system gets out of the way of the music, the less work one has to do to sort out differences. While everything matters, the music server’s position gives it a more substantial say, because what’s lost at the beginning of the chain can’t be added back later.

While I have become a believer in “source first”, I might be inclined to recommend that it would be best to address some glaring weak links downstream from the music server. Power distribution, cabling, resonance control, and room treatments are foundational. A system’s potential can be limited by them.

I believe I will work from the front end in…DAC, Maybe preamp(I love my Pre & Amplifier)
I’ve upgraded cables and power supplies without going crazy. I even sold some cables that were uber high-end. Thought it best to just have very good quality. $1K for a cable was not my thing. I frankly didn’t notice enough of a diff to warrant the extra costs. I guess everyone has to find their Wheel-House.

This is a bit of a different direction, but can you repurpose the 4TB I have in the DS-3 to use in an EX ?.
I’m currently selling my DS-3, but the 4TB is not being factored into my price. I would prefer to sell without the 4TB. Not sure if it can be repurposed into another player though.
Maybe I should post this out to the entire forum, but I don’t want to make too much noise on this platform. User will a million questions.

Cheers